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Re: [ANN] beeeeer.org - Primecoin mining pool!
« Reply #405 on: September 17, 2013, 10:22:08 pm »
i'm currently looking only at the recent blocks and i'm aware of the fact that more&more people entered the pool in the last days/hours
more people using the pool shouldn't change too much as long as the shares/block doesn't change too much (this is a relative statement ;) )
it would be just more block for everyone (imho)
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Re: [ANN] beeeeer.org - Primecoin mining pool!
« Reply #406 on: September 17, 2013, 10:25:14 pm »
Hmm, actually I just remembered something. The Pool is almost supposed to be in debt every so often, that just means it is working fine, which is why there is the shelving system. I mean if you look at Eligius http://eligius.st/~wizkid057/newstats/ Luck below 100% means they payed out more than they earned by the percentage, so 50% luck means they payed out double, where as 500% luck means hey payed out 5 times less. The only difference is that we don't have anything to compare with stats wise to show what percentage would be shelved, as you can see from their graphs at the beginning they had a very large amount shelved that eventually evened out to about 2% normally.
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Re: [ANN] beeeeer.org - Primecoin mining pool!
« Reply #407 on: September 17, 2013, 10:46:31 pm »
from a psychological point of view it would be better to start with a lower factor and increase it slowly to adjust the payout.
just like you said, there are not enough stats to compare with.

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Re: [ANN] beeeeer.org - Primecoin mining pool!
« Reply #408 on: September 18, 2013, 12:04:36 am »
... I suppose using 11 as the exponent could work however it is more of an annoying number than anything which is why I preferred 10, plus logic says that it should be a factor of 10, ...

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Re: [ANN] beeeeer.org - Primecoin mining pool!
« Reply #409 on: September 18, 2013, 03:14:28 am »
... I suppose using 11 as the exponent could work however it is more of an annoying number than anything which is why I preferred 10, plus logic says that it should be a factor of 10, ...

Your mathematical skills are in evidence now.
When I say it is more annoying I mean, it is not only a prime number which makes it much harder to rescale it's exponents which are also annoying numbers such as 121,1331,14641. Plus you would have to manually offset it rather than using a simple reduction of the exponent to achieve similar effects.
Also Xolo why not try a simple 10% ie 0.09*10^(L-M) instead of 0.1*10^(L-M), that should be enough leeway to not constantly be negative.
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Re: [ANN] beeeeer.org - Primecoin mining pool!
« Reply #410 on: September 18, 2013, 07:16:18 am »
... I suppose using 11 as the exponent could work however it is more of an annoying number than anything which is why I preferred 10, plus logic says that it should be a factor of 10, ...

Your mathematical skills are in evidence now.
When I say it is more annoying I mean, it is not only a prime number which makes it much harder to rescale it's exponents which are also annoying numbers such as 121,1331,14641. Plus you would have to manually offset it rather than using a simple reduction of the exponent to achieve similar effects.
Also Xolo why not try a simple 10% ie 0.09*10^(L-M) instead of 0.1*10^(L-M), that should be enough leeway to not constantly be negative.

Maybe I shouldn't write this in a hurry, but doesn't produce 0.1^(M+2-L)*10 the same results as 0.1*10(L-M)? So the formula could easily be adjusted to whatever factor that seems appropriate for a chain length step-up. Say it were a probability of 1/11 to find a chain L+1 in comarison to find a chain L, you could calculate that part of the weight formula as (1/11)^(M+2-L)*10.
That would replace a linear behaviour...
I don't see why we need to rescale the exponents and if ever necesary this could be done with logarithms, or not?

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Re: [ANN] beeeeer.org - Primecoin mining pool!
« Reply #411 on: September 18, 2013, 07:49:39 am »
One request though, for small miners like myself, the XPM/min isn't that informative as it is rounded off to low numbers. The XPM/day figure you had before was nice. Also, an XPM/hr might be a good compromise.

Both XPM/Min and XPM/Hour in details aren't really reliable, the xpm/d on a reached payout treshold should be way more accurate since it's calculating over more blocks than one, thus averaging much better - i'm thinking about removing it in the details view since it's pretty dependant on block time and varies highly even though you're still using the same ressources.
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Re: [ANN] beeeeer.org - Primecoin mining pool!
« Reply #412 on: September 18, 2013, 08:56:19 am »
regarding the latest value calculation discussion:
http://jsfiddle.net/thbaumbach/UKww8/ - play with it

this is the pool's point of view (with most recent 300 blocks).

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Re: [ANN] beeeeer.org - Primecoin mining pool!
« Reply #413 on: September 18, 2013, 10:37:40 am »
regarding the latest value calculation discussion:
http://jsfiddle.net/thbaumbach/UKww8/ - play with it

this is the pool's point of view (with most recent 300 blocks).

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Are those totals (per block or overall) accessable by url somehow?
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Re: [ANN] beeeeer.org - Primecoin mining pool!
« Reply #414 on: September 18, 2013, 11:04:53 am »
what do you mean by totals ?
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Re: [ANN] beeeeer.org - Primecoin mining pool!
« Reply #415 on: September 18, 2013, 11:14:09 am »
what do you mean by totals ?
http://xpm.syware.de/stats.php

pChart is kinda nice, gotta find the % coloring though  ;D

Something like http://beeeeer.org/block/169979/$address but not for that address but for the whole block so i can auto generate it.
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Re: [ANN] beeeeer.org - Primecoin mining pool!
« Reply #416 on: September 18, 2013, 11:17:28 am »
the share details per block are visible at the main block page:
http://www.beeeeer.org/blocks
see "shares by length (6|7|8|9)"

the user details per block (regarding shares) are also available in the user-block details:
e.g. http://www.beeeeer.org/block/169952/ANKZ8GNu2tpMV8u99dQwWdWky3xk4HrFYE
see "details"

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Re: [ANN] beeeeer.org - Primecoin mining pool!
« Reply #417 on: September 18, 2013, 11:27:48 am »
the share details per block are visible at the main block page:
http://www.beeeeer.org/blocks
see "shares by length (6|7|8|9)"

the user details per block (regarding shares) are also available in the user-block details:
e.g. http://www.beeeeer.org/block/169952/ANKZ8GNu2tpMV8u99dQwWdWky3xk4HrFYE
see "details"

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Okay but not inside the /block/$id file - parsing is more work than a nice json array  ;D would be awesome if you could write all your http://beeeeer.org/blocks data into the blockfile itself too  8)

Just checked the chains distribution values, they are kinda boring since the basicly don't change at all...no point in visualizing them.
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Re: [ANN] beeeeer.org - Primecoin mining pool!
« Reply #418 on: September 18, 2013, 02:21:36 pm »
small maintenance, server will be back in ~10-15 minutes  ::)  :o
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Re: [ANN] beeeeer.org - Primecoin mining pool!
« Reply #419 on: September 18, 2013, 02:39:31 pm »
Is there any way to set payment threshold above 3 (for example 10 XPM) and without that annoying fee! Because I don't want to see sums like 2.99196 in my wallet.

 
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